Substrate... i know i know

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    Kevin if you want I can go and check Aquaho for you tomorrow. PM me your number and I'll give you call. They are quite close.
    I am sure they still have a bag or two of the Daz stuff
     
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    Hey easy now, it's close to home and close to work. ;-)
    What can I say where I live I am close to about 4 LFS's.
     
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    Hey guys

    The Dazs soil works wonders.

    Gawie was kind enough to give me some of his left overs. I put some crypts in there with no additional lighting and they are doing quite well
     
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    i might have found you a few bags of Florite. will call you later on
     
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    Cool! :yes Thanks Henk.
     
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    how many bags kev?
     
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    Not really sure, the area of my tank is around 200cm2 and I am going to use river sand too, so one bag should be cool?

    Seachem says: "This bag is sufficient for about a 5 cm (2 inch) deep bed in a typical 40 L (10 gallon) tank. Recommended use is 1 kg (2 lbs) for approximately each 200 cm2 (31 in2) of tank bottom at a depth of 5 cm (2 in).
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    Hi Kevin

    I used 1 bag in my 50L aquaH2O tank.
     
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    so one bag should be good for my tank... (you know what it looks like!)
     
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    righteo - dead end - the guy that seachem said i must contact in jhb also doesnt have any....
     
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    Thanks for trying Henk!
     
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    Great news! I happened to find some flourite Sat afternoon! :yes
    Happened to go to the Build It pet section at Willowbridge and they had a bag!
    They prob didn't know what I was talking about when I phoned them!!
     
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    I thought some guys might be interested in this; I emailed sera to ask about floredepot and I got the following reply:

    Hello,

    > Does this mean it only provides nutrients for the initial 4 weeks, or
    does it provide nutrients for the whole lifetime of the substrate?

    it provides nutrients for about 4 - 6 weeks, after which it is recommended to take up 'regular' fertilization. The lifetime of the substrate as such is more or less infinite.

    > Does floredepot need to be replaced after a certain period with new
    floredepot to keep up the provision of nutrients?

    No, not at all. Just take up regular fetilization and leave the floredepot underneath the gravel, where it serves as a soft and "easy-to-grow-roots-in" plant substrate.

    Best regards

    sera GmbH
    Dr. Bodo Schnell
     
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    Congrats! Now u can get started!
     
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    I fail to see why they even developed such a substrate, whats the point in having a substrate (and paying all that money for it) just to have it run out in 4-6 weeks? Stay away from this stuff, it's too expensive IMO. Rather enrich your own substrate or buy the proper stuff like Flourite or Daz and be done with it :)
     
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    LOL yeh, sounds like a rip off to me, eventhough I have 2 big tubs of floredepot sitting in my cupboard. heheh, bought them before I knew it only lasted a few weeks. Planning on using it as a starter substrate combined with some other goodies to give my next tank's plants a good headstart. I also have bags of red clay.
    This might be my thin bottom layer, topped with Dasz fert pellets and ontop of that, a layer of floredepot, followed by the gravel top layer. The floredepot, is mainly to help start the plants, and when they eventually dig deeper they will find the Dasz pellets, which are slow release and will last much much longer.
    What I'm pondering on is to make additional clay balls combined with some ferts to add to the substrate layers. But I can't think of what and how to mix with the clay, before making the balls, Has anyone tried this or have some information I can research on this matter?? I know of guys that have done this and I can't remember what they put in with the clay balls.
     
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    Guys, I used a tub of Sera Floredepot as a test some time ago and to me it was an absolute waste of money. It appeared to be normal river sand, with some organic bits worked in (looked like bits of bark and peat) and then the whole story is supplemented with fertiliser tabs... that keep on finding it's way to the surface. If you want to spend that level of money, rather get fluorite or one of the other beefier substrates.

    My 5c.
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    I have used Tetra Initial Sticks with success before, they're about R120 per bottle that will do a 250l tank (Aqua has them). If you are going to make hard clay bals, why don't you grind up a few of the sticks and mix in with the clay ?
     
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    Hi Guys.

    I currently have FLORA DEPOT mixed with river soil in my tank as substrate running for about 4 months now and I dont see any difference between 1st 4-6 weeks and now.

    I also doze once maybe in 2 weeks for the leave feeders and I havent seen any problems.

    Obviously this would now also not be my 1st choice after what I have read but I think Flora Depot needs to be given a bit more credit.I have found it to work great.The pellets in it is supouse to be slow releasing and even with my old tank that cracked found the pellets still desolving after a few months so it is indeed slow.

    In the end it is probally personal choice.But as I said will not be my 1st choice anymore.
     
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    Hey Jacobus,

    I think that Floradepot is given too much credit already. The only real use for Floradepot is to establish plants but once the plants are going then the nutrients are exhausted. A substrate needs to be a slow releasing so it can sustain plants over a long period.

    With Floradepot, the plants get going and start taking up more nutrients and then all of a sudden there is nothing. Plants like to have a constant supply of nutrients. SO yeah, you can substitute the Floradepot with the "sticks" but then your just spending needless money. Why not spend the same amount of money as you would on Floradepot on something like Flourite and see better results?
     

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