Some of my wilds

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    Hi Dirk

    I was advised by someone on an Aussie forum regarding Feb and took it without questioning....hmmm those bloody Aussies!!
    Regarding your talk, I am more than keen and believe it is long overdue! What about us approaching one of the LFS's to host? They could sort of use it as a marketing initiative and be guaranteed of a number of folk visiting....and perhaps buying.
    What do the rest of you guys think?
     
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    Dirk,
    What I meant was that if you should be able to spawn them any time of the year if you get the environment right.
    I agree that if the outside temprature is going to affect your tank tempratures ... but then again you get high presure/low pressure systems coming through and those you cannot control.....ok what I said is a crock of mulm :-[
    Cheers,
    KarelM
     
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    Revisited the Aussie sight now and see that the advice offered was from someone in Poland....makes senses...for their winter.
     
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    Hi again KArelM,

    The experiences with wild-caught altum angels and discus is that they still adhere to their spawning cycles from the hemisphere that they come from. The Amazon is in the southern hemisphere and therefore their winter is the same as ours and altums come from the Orinoco which is northern hemisphere and they apparently then follow the northern hemisphere cycles. I agree to some extent that you can spawn them at any time of the year if you get the conditions right, but I still find that even with hybrids that they tend to spawn more readily in our winter and spring. If I can get the pics right, I will send you some proof soon as I have a pair of red turquoise fish that have a nice group of fry browsing off their sides right now.

    Rowland, perhaps we can also meet up at someone's home or at UCT or Stellenbosch University. Perhaps we should ask Andre what he might suggest.

    Kind regards,

    Dirk
     
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    Prof,
    You do not need to post picks for me to believe you ;D !!! BUT I and loads of others here would love to see the pics in anycase!
    Cheers,
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    Rowland, will you be bringing in more wilds?
     
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    Would do it if enough folk are keen and prepared to pay up front.
     
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    count me in on that :)
     
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    Have recently parted with 8 of them....
     
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    I am interested in importing Wild discus from Amazo Exotic Imports.
    Their minimum transactional amount is 1000 EURO which will buy me 6 x Jatapu Blue's 13/15cm
    Over and above import duties, vat and cost of shipment, what other costs would be involved?
    I presume the exporter will provide details on the water requirements at which the discus is kept but I am a bit concerned that I may not have covered all possible issues.
     
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    Hi Fanie

    You will need to get an import permit and appoint an agent to clear the fish through customs.

    1000 EURO (+VAT +import duties etc) for 6 fish is a bit steep isn't it?
     
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    Hi Fanie,

    I agree with Andre that 1000 Euro for six fishes sounds too steep. You would have to pay a clearance agent to take them through customs, but most importantly you need import permits, or do you have them already?

    Have you done a full calculation of the costs yet? You do realize that you will be paying a 50% surcharge and that VAT is on top of that so you effectively looking at 171% of original cost. Then you pay one and a half times freight for livestock. The pH and water conditions will be fine, but be prepared for an attack on your health when it comes to total costs of such a shipment!

    Kind regards,

    Dirk
     
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    Thank you for your advice Dirk & Andre.

    To me this is more than just importing exotic discus - I have on numerous occasions expressed my concern with the type and effects of hybrids available to SA hobbyists. I am also advised that Wilds, even F2 & 3 are not available in SA. If one is then to support your principles - what other route is there to follow?

    Possibly you as the experienced members in this forum could advice on this moral dilemma...
     
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    Thank you Andre.
     
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    I think Prof Dirk's Discus looks absolutely superb - very much like the adults I which to import - I would rather spend my hard earned cash on supporting the local industry. I PM'ed him earlier today but being realistic - just how high would the demand for there jewels be...
     
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    [​IMG]

    An Alenquer Curipera which I photographed some months ago during a visit to Prof Dirk Bellstedt.
    Notice the telltale signs indicating the specimen originating from the wild.

    Published with permission of the owner.
     
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    thats a stunning fish!
     
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    It is a beautiful fish.. How do you see it is wild caught?

    I have seen altum's in the UK, for about £120 each and they look amazing, but is it ethical to import such fish when the mortality rate is so high?
     
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    Hi Guys. Rowland set up this thread for his discus. Could the Mods move the "angel" posts to a threads of their own.
     

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