Some depressing economic analysis

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    If I was the president, I'd sack most prisons. If you can't live by societies basic rules ---> :flame:adios. Simple as that. That's one route to stop wasting money on people who cannot play by the rules. But hey, that's just me, and thank goodness I'm not president O0

    Agreed @Luis Embalo , definitely the death penalty. No one drives at the speed limit, because the fines are so low, and if you don't pay (like me) nothing ever happens anyway. And we all know this. The average jail time for a rapist in this country is 2 years, that is assuming the person even gets convicted!!! The time does not frighten people enough, so they do the crime. Starting salary for a policeman in Finland is around R25 000 a month. Ask a policeman here what he gets, shame... Underpaid, I don't blame the guys, but the system doesn't support the cops anyway. But crime, that's another thread totally.. :sad5:
     
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    Have you all been watching the parliament channel lately ?
    Actually scary, not much hope.
     
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    Another thing, they wanted to fix this mess that we call the ZAR with rate hikes etc etc, everything except the real problem was "fixed". Now we sit with higher rates and a currency that is exactly where it was before they started with these "tricks" and will probably be at ZARUSD12 before christmas if not more.
     
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    This thread is definitely depressing ---> reaches for a brandy :eek: Not having a tv is the more positive route for me! If only we had a man as a president (or a woman), not this creature they call Zuma :sad3:
     
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    Zuma... Jeeze, don't get me started... This thread is super depressing...
     
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    It is pretty bad here, and the worse is that people keep voting for the same.. the misery I see is bad, but it will get much worse.

    From the unsecured lending saga, to the R699 cars, to people loosing their jobs, corruption, and avoidance of taxes, kids going hungry at school, abuse of drugs by all ages, it really paints a depressing vision of the future for most.
     
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    I think that mentality is part of the problem, it isn't just paper. Money is a proxy for labour. Consider the Big Mac index of how long you have to work to afford a Big Mac. Your money is a product of how much you work and how valuable people think that work is. A good neurosurgeon might do one operation a week lasting several hours and make several thousand Rand but who else can do their work? Alternative, almost anyone can pick up a trash bin and empty into a truck.... We can dispute the value part but money is people's time and sweat. It isn't just paper. Monetary inflation is a devaluation of people's labour not of some make-believe currency. When people speculate on currency prices they are giving an estimate of the value of a society's labour. In that sense, people trust the USA is trusted 10x more than SA in its ability to perform worthwhile labour---as opposed to robbery.

    Luis, I support manual labour. As a correctional program it is far more expensive to implement but it is far more rewarding. People learn valuable skills and would leave incarceration more able to integrate into society. Most offenses could be adequately dealt with by periods of indentured servitude in potato field (for the unskilled) or in some public service (e.g sending an accountant to do the books of some charity for a minor offense). I don't like the idea of murders, armed robbers, rapists, corrupt politicians and businessmen and people who defraud people of their life's savings ever walking free. They should all be hung* in a in the town square---to be done away with and send the clear message that society will not tolerate such acts. But jail itself, is an abominable cruelty that does very little good (much like school detention).

    My only concern is that in SA we have people guilty of reckless endangerment/culpable homocide being sent to prison convicted of murder... and murders getting off on culpable homicide (this isn't a jab at Oscar...).

    As I said, no solution without revolution.

    *Actually, for some crimes (e.g. child rape), I think crucifixion would be more appropriate but I don't think it will ever catch on.
     
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    Jeepers... You know I started off thinking I could change the world, just like my dad. And, same as him, I just frustrated myself. In the end, I justify my existence on earth with the simple philosophy of if I am positive and making a difference to peoples lives around me, and doing the best I can do to my environment and those around then I deserve to be on earth. Otherwise not. Sure I'm not perfect and this tank has frustrated me to no end and I have irritated @wolf and @Coldcat and @Chongkie with too many questions, but, I am over it and let things be and am back to being Adrian. What will be will be. We have to focus on the now.

    Next weekend I have some kayaking mates who will clean up the Black River along the M5 all the way down to the beach as part of being a member of the minuscule Cape White Water Club. If anyone is interesting let me know. It's a small attempt but we're hoping to get other water users involved and are in contact with DWAF.

    The battles are numerous. Of that we have little doubt. And we may not win the war, but I think in the spheres that we live we ALL can make a difference to those around us, no matter how small we may think we be contributing, and eventually the war could be won, perhaps not while we are alive even! I cannot stand traffic and avoid it, but when I'm caught I make observations of those around me and look to see what people are up, and what they're doing. It's fascinating. The world many of us live in is a sad, empty place with falsified blinkers on. Everyone focused on themselves. Maybe it's a defence mechanism we're all accustomed to, I don't know. Maybe I think too much, but it's something I can't turn off. Normal life bores me to the umpteeth degree and I find ways to amuse myself whilst I'm here.

    To cut it short.
     
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    no sweat man that is why we are here to help
     
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    Lol, u apologise too much for nothing. Always glad to help bud.
     
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    "Actually, for some crimes (e.g. child rape), I think crucifixion would be more appropriate but I don't think it will ever catch on."
    It's too honorable a death.:-X
     
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    Perhaps we are living in: "interesting times". [​IMG]
     
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    Wow you guys are depressing. Here is some inspiration.
    [​IMG]
    At least its Friday:icon_cheers:
     
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    WOO!! :eek::cool: And today I am grateful to be driving a dry car in rainy Cape Town, woke up in a warm bed, will eat some food just now at work, got all we need, right? :scratch: ;D We have no choice but to be positive in this circus. Wonder what's next on the show?! :icon_rabbit:
     
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    And now I have that song stuck in my head and am considering making it my ringtone
     
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    Try sing, Boesmanland, vat my hand... :evil6:
     
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    It would be good if this happened..
     
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    This is what cheers me up..
     
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    Thanks! Now that's stuck in my head! :violent1:
     
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    O, Boesmanland, vat my hand en lei my oor die rant se kant.
    As jy vir my kan sê waar die Boesmanland lê.
    Boesmanland vat my hand.

    O ... Boesmanland, vat my hand en lei my oor die rant se kant.
    As jy vir my kan sê waar die Boesmanland lê.
    Boesmanland vat my hand.

    :icon_king::hello2::help: lol
     
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