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    Please help urgently. My discus apparently has internal worms and I started treating my tank with Sterazin. Since then I have lost 3 corrydoras and my discus seems more ill. She is so weak she is leaning to the one side almost lying over. Is the medication too strong?

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    Sorry for the barrage of Q's...but I need to know before I can begin to understand what is going on with your fish:

    Water parameters? pH,hardness...you using plain RO or tap? How long have you had the Discus... ? Size of tank? How many Discus and other fish? How long ago you got them? Are all of the Discus sick? What are you feeding them?

    Unfortunately they dont put on the bottle that with the: "Do not use when crustaceans, echinoderms, rays, seawater sharks, pirahna, sturgeon or sterlets and related species are present." they should have added Armoured Catfish..... I suspect they cant handle the piperazine citrate in the Sterazin as Catfish dont have a reaction to the other 3 ingredients in it...
     
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    Hi
    My tank is 450 litres with a pH of 6.4 with a medium hardness. I use tap water. I have 6 other discus. This particular discus is a female and about 2 years old. A few very expensive ancistrus, some cardinals, rummys and chinese algae eaters. I have had my discus for a long period. She always looked thin but was always eating. Now with the medication she just went downhill. I feed them tetra bits and a variety of omega one flakes including frozen foods.
    Should I just put in some charcoal to remove these meds?
     
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    I am NOT a fan of Sterazin in the treatment of Discus... Most of the ingredients in it's makeup,at the stated dose,is like farting against thunder in treating Flukes anyways...

    Metronidazole...got any? Otherwise a vet can write you a prescription. Comes in 200mg tabs.... 7mg/litre of water - leave for 3 days - 50% waterchange and redose 7mg/litre... 3 days - another 50% waterchange...

    Hope your girl makes it....

    Oh ja - use good grade carbon to take out the Sterazin + a 50% waterchange after earliet of 24 hours of running the carbon before you dose the Metro....
     
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    Thanks for the help. I don't think my discus is going to make it. She is lying at the bottom of the tank. This is the last time I will use Sterazin. I am just going to put in the charcoal.

    Thanks again,
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    There is always a pecking order within a group of Discus... and as you mentioned,she has always been the "runt of the litter"... May just be that years of being kept from a full meal,not having a great appetite to start with - has LED to her finally succumbing to the host of parasites that affect Discus...
     
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    tempreture?
     
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    Are you pumping some extra oxygen into the water? I'm sure that Sterazin depletes the oxygen in the tank? I could be wrong. but add an extra air stone into the aquarium.
     
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    you should always add oxygen to a hospital tank IMO..
     
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    I don't think the discus is in a hospital tank. She said she lost corydoras after adding sterazin.
     
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    Hi All

    I added the Sterazin to my main tank because it was suggested I deworm the rest of the fish. Unfortunately I lost my discus. I have also lost in total so far, 3 corrys, 3 khulis, 4 chinese algae eaters and 2 cardinals. I put in some charcoal last night but what else should I do as I think I might still lose some more.

    The temperature is 29 degrees.
     
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    Couple of good waterchanges should go far in stabilising your fish...
     
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    Should the first water change be a 50% after carbon has been in the tank for 24 hours. Is that what you meant in your last reply?
     
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    Nah..rather 2 or 3 changes to make up the 50 %.... I know it's a bitch getting the temp right,but you will see your fish looking much better if you do it this way....
     
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    Ok thanks, will do this first thing in the morning. I hope they will just hang in there. Do you know if the chinese algae eaters are generally sensitive to medication?
     
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    doubt it, they seem hardy buggers..
     
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    Hi Karen
    Sorry to hear about your sick Discus.
    My following advice is standard "sick Discus" treatment - before ANY medication is considered:
    1. Isolate soonest possible into a Hospital Tank +/- 40 litres NB tank is water only - glass bottom
    2. Hospital tank water temperature is 30 deg C ( this accelerates life cycle of any bug or paracite and makes them super susceptible to treatment later)
    3. Daily water changes of min 30% - max 50% NB water must be same temp same pH NO lights
    4. After 4/5 days you may be able to re-introduce food - high protein tiny amounts at first
    5. Ensure that daily water changes remove ALL faecal and un-eaten food material
    6. At day 7 evaluate progress - examine fin condition, eye brightness, respiration rate, colour, stool consistency

    9 times of 10 the fish will be much better already.

    If there are signs of parasites - treat appropriately 5/7
    Signs of fin rot - treat appropriately 5/7

    If the fish is almost "right" just a little off in colour, eye brightness or the smallest degree of fin rot I like to use 5ml (40 litre tank) of Microbe Lift Artemis for 5/7

    After that add activated carbon and continue to change < 30% water daily until the fish is active and eating everything you can give it.

    I recently had 3 "boarders" that were not expected to live. After 7 weeks of the above they went home considerably larger than they arrived and drop dead beautiful too........... Discus, you have to love them :laughing7:
     
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    so what medication combined with this, P J ?
     
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    Hi Trevor
    When the recipe above needs medicinal assistance I have the following ready:
    Microbe-Lift - Artemiss, when the likely culprit is bacterial
    Microbe-Lift - Herbtana, when the likely culprit is parasitic
    Waterlife - Myxacin 2X - more serious cases not responding to Artemiss
    Metronidazole - when Herbtana is not getting the results I want and I suspect that the culprit may be both Antibacterial and Parasitic.

    Metronidazole is toxic and 50% water changes are mandatory. It also might need to be given twice or three times per day, which may say 50% water changes twice or three times per day too. NB - when using metronidazole the prepatration for intravenous injection is better because you can be very acurate with dosage.

    NB - reservoir water for hospital tank water changes MUST BE same temp, same pH.

    NB - Treating sick Discus needs to be done in isolation tanks - no point in treating 100 - 200 - 300 - 400 litre - or bigger tank volumes to "treat" one sick fish. You are always using the volume the fish is swimming in for treatment volumes calculations. Since fish are so small relatively, you cannot apply the "human standard" of "volume of distribution" for dosing.

    I hope that helps............... just a little. :icon_study:
     
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    Going to try some Herbtana next time, like the sound of this ! I gather it insulates the fish from the gremlin, so the nasty starves and then dies off in the tank.
     

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