Pre Orders - Special German/South American IMPORTS

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    • Hi

      if anybody is interested in any of these uncommon, exotic fish ?
      ETA 2-4weeks maximum

      • ALTUM Angel MD Pterophyllum altum VENEZUELA
      • "Peruvian Altum" MD Pterophyllum scalare/altum variant PERU
      • L46 Imperial Zebra Pleco ml and L Hypancistrus zebra
      • L190 and/or L191 ROYAL Pleco, Full and/or broken-line SM Panaque nigrolineatus var. BRAZIL
      • L201 Hypancistrus inspector M COLOMBIA
      • L168 BUTTERFLY PLECO M Dekeyseria brachyura BRAZIL
      • Otocinclus affinis L BRAZIL
      • ZEBRA OTO L Otocinclus cocama
      • Ancistrus CF. hoplogenys GOLD SPOT Bristlenose
      • Nannostomus sp. RED II or PURPLE Pencil Nannostomus rubrocaudatus PERU
      • Apistogramma baenschi INCA 50 PERU

      A few others are under discussion with original clients who ordered these, so a few more species may POP up onto list over next few days.

      pm your email adress,
      SUBJECT LINE APSA Preorder and what you're after!!
     
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    Thanks for posting this here Liaquat, those are some very nice fish.

    The last set of altums you brought in did very well, are these from the same supplier?
     
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    Hi Andre
    I'm glad you agree. It takes quite alot to make up an order of this nature.

    Regarding the Altum angels...In a way, YES, the same source!

    An interesting story about these and Previous Altum you got from me
    They're ALL from this SAME COLLECTOR, who sold to various Colombian , Brazilian exporters...

    He has now grown in operations and has his own holding, export business.
    I have helped him make contact with European and Asian fish-nuts, importer-exporters.
    So now it's possible to obtain them from Germany, Malaysia also

    These will be about THREE TIMES the size, of your first set.

    Due to to a better supply network, and more direct routes, they promise to be EVEN BETTER!
    ;)
     
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    Hi Liaquat,

    I have sent you an email as well, but just in case you do not read that, could I ask you to please send me prices of the altum angels, the peruvian scalare (they are definitely not altums) and the pencil fishes.

    Many thanks and kind regards,

    Dirk
     
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    Hi Dirk
    I see your pm and email has been replied to.


    Yes, I know what the paradox angel ISN'T. We just don't know what it IS!

    No doubts, that we all agree on...

    ...for ID and trade purposes.."Peruvian Altum", remains with inverted commas.
    Otherwise how would I differentiate between the OTHER actual varieties of Peruvian scalare Pterophyllum scalare the supplier has listed from the collectors?

    it's the only way to actually order them. If you ask for Peruvian scalare, you will get just that! A fish which doesn't have the taller height, deportment, and form expected of this fish of intermediate features. Sharing Altum, and Scalare characteristics is tough enough for many aquarists to discern differences .. . let alone many exporters( fewer in Asia, Europe make that mistake)


    Let me know your order within next 2-3days, I need to allocate and separate fish accordingly, prior to receiving them.

    Of course, the other fish prices for Altum, Nannostomus, L46, etc are dependent on successful arrival, pre-order commitments, and THEN only will further fish be sold, IF ANY are left for hobby resales.

    Another HUGE reason I am ordering both Genuine Pterophyllum altum AND the Paradox angels from Peru, is for comparison and contrasting similarities and dissimilarities.

    Oh, and I like ALTUM.................. abit more than the other types ;)

    Thanks for your enquiry.
     
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    Hi Liaquat,

    Thanks for your private email, I will get back to you on that one and place my order.

    I do not know why we seem to get from one confusion to the next, but the issue of Peruvian scalare/alums needs to be clarified please.

    Peruvian altums are definitely not paradox fishes. Paradox fishes are the angels that come from the upper Rio Negro that is in contact with the Orinoco River. Scalare angels occur in the Amazon and up into the Rio Negro which is a tributary of the Amazon, whilst altums occur in the Orinoco River. For those that do not know this, the Upper Orinoco and the Upper Rio Negro are linked via a river called the Casiquaire canal. This is not a man made canal but a natural river course and it has allowed altum angels to get into the upper Rio Negro and where they meet they have apparently crossed and hybrids occur. These hybrids are called paradox angels.

    Peruvian angels are not paradox fishes but are scalare type angels that come from the Upper Amazon drainages but they have no altum influence whatsoever. They are pure P scalare but they have longer fins and often have orange markings. When these fishes were first offered for sale, there was this marketing gimmick to call them "Peruvian altums" but they are very definitely not altums they are unadulterated P scalare and about that the specialists are fully agreed. They are however different from normal P scalare and are also very beautiful.

    Anyone that would like to have more information about angels and all of these intricacies should consult the finarama website and particularly the forum: http://www.finarama.com/forum/ .

    I would like to thank you Liaquat for your efforts to get some of these fishes into the country as they really are difficult to obtain in South Africa. Altums in my opinion are the most complicated South American fishes to keep and breed and are certainly more difficult than discus, but they are really stunningly beautiful, so good for you for getting us these fishes, much appreciated.

    Kind regards,

    Dirk
     
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    heheh, I hear you Dirk.
    I am not in the least confused.

    We do read and follow largely the same published resources, online, and forums
    bar German texts ;)

    The confusion is when a South American supplier has MULTIPLE SOURCES and collection operations in Venezuela, Colombia, Brazil, and Peru in this instance, ALL of the preceding countries.
    He now decides to send Pterophyllum to Europe, in this case Germany.
    With so many different, locations and types, it's easier to group them for commercial reasons in to the BROADEST of categories, ESPECIALLY if some of the Angels are TOO FEW in number.

    After the larger groups are correctly maintained Identified and proffered for sale, the rest are categorised into "BEST fit" classes. Hence we find Angelfish with Taller, notched Dorsal slope, and "snouted" Scalare are now offered as Peruvian Altum too..and THAT smacks of a fish of possible mixed parentage..ie PARADOX Angel.

    It's in the marketplace, and not at all prevalent with every importer or angel supplier.

    Be that as it may, you are correct that "OUT THERE" confusion is rife.
    I thank you for pointing out key location/origin info, which I didn't want to delve into ..but good that you did though.

    With more background info, an affinity for fish of different provenance grows on you.
    Maybe it helps us find some more FUTURE AFFISHYONADOS :D

    I dont know how to post pics on my desktop (sans hosting), so will wait until I have a moment to work out when/how to post collectors' and exporters' holding facility pics.

    I have been promised MANY NEW pics within 2days. These wil be FROM South America AND Germany.
    WHICH "Peruvian Altum" We will receive will be seen from pics expected in 2-3days.

    In the meantime, it's hard not to be AS EXCITED as I am!

    You're most welcome!

    I DO appreciate recognition for the effort, more than I do any financial proceeds.
    This so, especially when I import and make a huge outlay of time, resources besides capital expenditure for fish I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP AT HOME AS WELL.

    Fish such as these, are ALWAYS looking for candidates to succeed where others have failed..or get further than most.
     
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    OK Liaquat,

    I look forward then to the pics so that we can see what may possibly be in the pipeline in your shipment. I can understand the confusion of when everything arrives from different sources and gets mixed up, but then the pics will hopefully help us.

    Kind regards,

    Dirk
     
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    Any corys available?
     
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    MANY available Ross
    But I omitted them, due to very high risk of losses to Europe before. Not from same shipper, but in general..

    That means when they are sent, and costed for Re-export each piece is so much more expensive to forward to us.

    I MAY however, get ONE species.

    If I did, which species would you say??


    My email INBOX awaits your suggestion/s :D
     
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    Send me a price list ill take a couple of every thing, thanks
     
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    -Bump-
    I've sent you a request to your inbox, but if you have a list of other species that you order, I am for shure interested ... I'm new to the forum but not to new to fish keeping. (some pic's & info just look for them on my prifile)

    And I must say , my heart was thumping hard and loud enough i could hear the echo of excitment when I read the number "L46"
    I have been searching for someone that could help me to get some of those sexy fish. I want to Equip, setup and stock a Tank JUST FOR THEM (part of me hoping I could start breeding them)

    Please Please Send me an update and keep me informed, of any future imports....

    Regards AND MANY MANY MANY thanx...!

    Johnwolf01@gmail.com
     

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