Liquid co2 or bottled co2

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    Short question what would be better in a 14.5 gallon (55l) tank?
    Liquid fertilizer or bottled CO2
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    A lot of factors come into play with either one's efficiency. Although, the bottled CO2 won't diffuse enough CO2 in a 55l tank. Rather go with liquid fertilizer (do you mean liquid carbon?).
     
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    Seachem excel

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    I use Scape Liquid Carbon and my cube is only 60L. Works fine for me.

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    how long does a bottle last for you?
     
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    I've had it since last year April - still a bit left to go. People will go blue arguing over which is better using injected CO2 or liquid carbon. For my budget, I can't afford to buy a full set to go injected CO2 so liquid carbon is cheaper for me.

    Granted, Excel works for problematic algae - I had it for a couple of months and it does help with the persistent algae that won't go away like BBA for example, but for 250ml and that price TAG, it puts me off. I rather pay R150 for a 500ml bottle of Scape Liquid Carbon.

    So a year and 1 month since I bought that bottle of Scape Liquid Carbon - might have another month or two to go before I have to buy a new one.
     
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    Scape liquid it is. I'm looking for sustainability. Im going to get me test kits as i go along to see wat i really need but CO2 is a definite and trace elements.

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    Good decision, just a reminder though - there are a few plants that react negatively towards liquid carbon, what plants do you plan to stock?
     
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    If you want to play with CO2 other than the sterilising soap, I would say you have two real options - DIY - it can and does work well on a budget and tanks that are not huge or you go the route of 2 or 5kg CO2 cylinders with regulator - and your choice of going 24/7 or not with a solenoid.

    Anything else for pressurised CO2 is a money pit - this includes small canisters / CO2 bombs similar to what they cycling guys use etc.

    If you like to tinker, - and by your posts it seems like you do - DIY CO2 can be loads of fun and challenging at that to do it right.

    Later Ferdie
     
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    I don't know as of yet but foreground: Glossostigma elatinoides Emersed: Marsilea minuta.. I will ask more suggestions when we get there

    I will look into it. For now I'll try dosing since I have seen a lot of success. CO2 refill will be a pain in the butt if i only have one canister. I Will look at 2nd hand set ups since they not so expensive
     
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    Don't worry too much about it, just thought I'd remind you (these plants that react negatively aren't that common anyways), but feel free to ask anytime.
    Sounds like an interesting scape, keep is updated!
     
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    I can pay witness to it - my ferns don't seem to like it but tough luck for them, they are still thriving though as I only dose once a week - all the other crypts, bolbitus, anubias and bucephalandra are doing fine. It's just the ferns that have this darkened tip (like it's been bruised) when I dose with liquid carbon. My vallisneria var nana never did well.

    As for iron and traces, the cheaper option would to go for Trelmix - most garden centres and I think Checkers / Builders also supply it too, I haven't checked.

    For glosso, you will need injected CO2 - I would suggest the easier carpet plant to go for is Monte Carlo (others have suggested this to me before) for a low tech setup. I personally prefer DHG (Dwarf Hair grass) but then again everyone's got different tastes.
     
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    I love monte Carlo, just want to know if i can keep it to 1cm or even shorter.

    Doesn't DHG require injected CO2? otherwise it will most definitly.

    for any ferts ill test the cheapest product first. I don't like to waste money
     
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    No, I had DHG - it just needs good light and liquid carbon. Nothing too fancy.
     
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    Take a look at this

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    Moss on the tops of the wood, DHG by the stones and what appears to be MC (Correct me if I'm wrong). Now that is an awesome scape.
     
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    going to try dry start method with a little moss i have in my cichlid tank (moss look bad). Will just put the java moss on a rock and keep it moist. Will use one or two 3 watt leds (Not ideal but what the hack). Its a long shot but i have everything so no worries.
    That tank look super mad I hope I can get I want.
     
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    [Dry start method update]
    day 1

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    The container shield properly and kept the moss moist.

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    will let it sit for two days and see if the plant stay moist. I'm just testing this with a 3watt LED. Doesn't seem like moister is a problem
     
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    Liquid carbon and pressurised CO2 are not really in the same category. Are you planning low tech, high tech, high lighting, demanding plants ....?

    The initial outlay for pressurised CO2 is expensive but once you have the equipment the day to day cost of CO2 is cheap.
     
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    light will be one or two 10watt LED floodlight 6500k and PAR was about 180 at depth (using online calculator with 1 light).
    I won't have too demanding plants as i want to start out without pressured CO2 and take it from there. No point in buying the equipment if I can do without it but ill be on the look out for a 2nd hand set up if needed.
     
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    Take your time. Get the hang of things. Decide if you are passionate about the hobby before spending loads of money.
     
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