Discussion in 'Invertebrates' started by HennieRoux, Nov 17, 2014.
Who told you this?
Prolly same source as that of Trevor's
I have mentioned this incident before.. a Cape LPS got reported for keeping and selling shrimp, law enforcement swooped, it was a deliberate low key affair so no choppers and minimal armed backup, from what I understand. All shrimp were confiscated, after more research and investigating the authorities duly apologised and all shrimp were returned a day later.
I know a particular store that needs mention for crayfish, where would you report them?
no shops here keep shrimp out of fear
Is Biologic still on the forum? He works for CNC.
hmm both he and Rudi seems to have gone MIA in 2014
BioLogic was last seen:
Jun 24, 2014
I have not yet seen or hear that its been confirmed 100% that they are legal to own or trade in
I think most of us has heard from a friend that nows a friend who has a friend that they are ok, but to my understanding still illegal to import yes
A day after they became too interested in the local shrimp mafia......
So after many years I have learnt the following, and this was confirmed by people who deals with black lists and people who are responsible for creating black lists.
The black list refers to importing, and not keeping certain species...as there was no black list on fresh water shrimp, and still no black list on them they are grey listed. This means anything that came into SA is legal, and legal to keep and breed, until such black list is created.
So, we have 2 choices here, we can either leave things as they are, and for ever do what we are currently doing with our shrimp, or we can sit together to discuss the Impact risk assessment, and use our contacts over seas to challenge the risk assessment, and some of the rubbish that was googled and pasted into it!
Since all my efforts over the years was not just done for me, but for everyone in this hobby, I feel that a vote is needed on this.
The assessment is in my inbox, and they are waiting for my feedback.
Hennie I am keen to sit with you and anyone on here for that matter. You know my standpoint on this as we have discussed this so many times before in person. With that also being said we run the risk of them also switching the shrimp to full blacklist for importation and keeping. If this happens I believe we will be much worse off as this will give the powers that be to clamp down even more on the shrimp restrictions. I have tried various times before applying for permit and each time it was rejected, reason being the permit office still see them as crustacean/ invertebrates and on the blacklist the crust/inverts are illegal to import and keep.
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Yes you are right Hein, and we have a huge risk on that, and that is why I do not want to make that decision on my own, I feel it is up to our members and people who have the knowledge to help with this decision.
I cannot @ this moment share the risk assessment on a public forum, put I will ask admin if we can do a voting pole on this, but before we do the pole, we need to understand that the outcome can effect us in a negative way.
It's a simple answer and conclusion, the facts are Neos will survive in temperate and warmer parts of the country as proven. I know folk that have them outside and in their ponds year round. If Caridina were permitted there is no way they could be monitored and differentiated from neos.
How invasive they would be and do harm or not, lord knows..
Trev, we know it is simple, and I agree with you. The question is what do we do from here?
Perhaps also a simple answer, breed them locally, what else can we do, you have tried bravely and need to be commended. Apart from Sulawezi and possibly one or two others, all ornamental shrimp available in the world trade are being bred here.
Where IMO there's a massive gap in the market commercially, is all the shrimp paraphernalia that comes with the industry, as this brings in more revenue than the shrimp themselves. Would be great to have a selection of shrimp substrates readily available here for example..
all those lovely expensive substrates
I've heard that prodibio biogrowth substrate is a very good shrimp substrate but i feel its a little overpriced...R900 per bag
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