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    Hi guys.
    Found this booklet searching the web
    http://www.dwaf.gov.za/iwqs/biomon/aquaplantsa/aquaplantid.asp
    Hope it will help to know what you may and may not. Keep in mind, the plants black listed get updated periodically, so this booklet needs updating. Nice thing is, it has the pics to go with it, I found it difficult obtaining pics whilst surfing the net.
    Admin... please forgive if I posted on wrong place.
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    nice thank you
     
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    Very good tip-off :thumbsup:
     
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    seems like a normal government website, half and hour to download a 9 meg file...
     
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    Its a 10+ meg file and it cuts off too soon every time I try download it. I now have multiple corrupt versions of the same document. I have now given up. Curiosity isn't worth the frustration.
     
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    Hi, maybe I got lucky. Is there any means I can get the copy to you?
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    It is a 81 page document...
     
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    Nice info, thanks!

    I got a couple of local plants, there are more out there than we think..
     
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    download it early in the morning before everyone is on the site trying to find out if shrimp is legal in SA then it dowloads quick, must be high trafic causing the download speeds to drop
     
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    use a plugin called "down them all" for firefox, if the download stops you can restart it again without having to restart from the beginning.
     
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    Good morning...
    This is the beggar calling... any cuttings to spare? I am dedicating a spare tank just for SA indiginous, hoping to grow and expand the selection.. :notworthy:
     
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    what do you currently have?
     
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    Tyrone I can put a copy on my DropBox for you if you like.
     
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    I have created a copy in my Drop Box.
    Please remember, this document was made available by South African Government. So all their copy rights remain.
    Send me a pm and I'll share the link. :wave:
     
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    Thanks for the offer, Henk, but Helberg has already provided me with a copy. I see a lot of aquatic plants were missed. There are several species of Utricularia in S. Africa alone. Still, it was very interesting.

    I wonder what happened to Robin's Bergia he was growing as an aquarium plant? An I wonder if there are any Elatine species in South Africa: http://www.aquatic-gardeners.org/Articles/elatine/
     
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    I suspected the booklet might not indicate all we wanted seeing the date of publishing, just wondering, we need a person specialising in SA aquatic plants, maybe we can canvas Universities, or Parksboard, reserve researcher/manager. I did find a research report on plants and fish found in our national reserves. Thus somewhere a person or group of people must have the knowledge to satisfy our need.
    Any leads?
     
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    SHIHR


    what do you currently have?
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    I will hopefully be able to go visit my grow tank this weekend, then, using the list, I will catalogue what I have.
    Mostly collectected in waterways and water bodies around Gauteng and Dundee in KZN, that is what got me started on this thread.. I wanted to know what I have, should have and should burn.

    I did realise that sometimes it will happen that we see something growing in the wild, we like it and we take out some with the idea of placing it in the tank. What actual plant it is, indiginous or not, that is difficult without knowledge and recent photographs. I have visited many web sites, to my dismay I found that it is difficult to obtain a database of true South African or Southern African specimen. Feels as if the dentist pulls a molar without aneastetics trying to get info on this topic.

    So, I'm hoping and attempting to establish a collection of South African Aquatic plants. I am also holding thumbs that these plants will be propagating sufficiently and draw enough attention to create a following in the Aquatic community.

    Thus to your question, what do I have, I cannot answer yet what I have, but concidering the goal, I might not have enough.
     
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    I have grown loads of them. And there's a reason that they not in the trade. For the most part they look very similar to plants already available, in other cases they are so finicky that they just don't justify the effort.

    Personally I have had far more success with them as pond plants than aquarium plants. Bergia repens for example is so similar to other carpet plants and it has the same irritating habit of lifting off the substrate as mats and/or overgrowing itself and dying off in patches. I will grow it again because it is a very very dense and bright tight carpet but maybe this time in a finer inert substrate. And I do like to win! Bergia 1: Robin 0 - rematch scheduled this winter!

    Cheers
     
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    Hi Guys,

    I organized a massive international conference on African botany held in Stellenbosch last week (see www.aetfat2014.co.za) as a result of which I have been very quiet, and I still have a massive amount of catching up to do, but I do want to make some comments.

    Whilst the book that has been referred to here is quite good, it just sort of gives an introduction and many of the plants that are listed are declared invaders and have been eliminated in many cases. So its use in the field is actually limited. It actually needs updating and expanding.

    Books on SA aquatic plants do not exist, but you can find some in Elsa Pooley's book: A Field Guide to the Wild Flowers of KwaZulu-Natal & the Eastern Region ISBN 0-620-21500-3

    Then you can search for aquatic plant images and information on iSpot, http://www.ispot.org.za/ search for Potamogeton, Aponogeton, Stuckenia some of which I have posted there see: http://www.ispot.org.za/node/215591?nav=users_observations

    In collaboration with Jacqualine Tschidada, who used to work for DAFF, I have developed an index to assess invasiveness of aquatic plants and on the basis of this have drawn up the list of the plants that are presently permitted for import into SA. So I know my plants pretty well and may be able to help.

    However, there are oddballs and seasonally aquatic plants and these are really difficult to ID, but fire away with some pics, let us see if we can ID them. I have got some very nice indigenous aquatic mosses which grow nicely in aquaria.

    Kind regards,

    Dirk
     
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    Worked with Elsa's late husband Tony on crocodiles and other critters, have plenty of memories and stories, wonderful man, a pioneer in his field, RIP bud :(
    Sorry off topic, but wanted to share

    Can't find much on the web at short notice, but these croc shots were one of the last things I did with Tony in KZN, not sure why this clip cuts out at the penultimate moment :evil6:, while some of the cheetah slow-mo material was shot at Spier Wine Estate, easier travel and tame ;D

    http://youtu.be/FRZ9usxVZgk
     

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