Fertilizer.

Discussion in 'The Nursery' started by MichaelW, Jul 19, 2006.

  1. Andre
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    Awesome pictures.

    I am definitely getting some lilies when I move :)
     
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    i have been wanting some water thingy in my garden for a whail. also wanted the lilies now its a definate!
     
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    Hi Guys,

    After getting back from a 5 week visit to a scientific colleague in Zürich, Switzerland, I thought that I would look at the APSA site again and noted discussions aimed in my direction, so I thought I would reply. I am currently on sabbatical leave until the end of August, which to the lay person may sound as though I am on holiday, but this is actually as far removed from this as can be. Sabbatical leave is a period during which academics are given leave of their lecturing responsibilities so that they can concentrate on their research. As a result I have been writing scientific publications about my research and I went to Zürich specifically to learn how to use new computer software and to apply this to my research data. I also visited a company that I collaborate with in Basel.

    Chiron, I am a member of this forum and have been for quite a while. Secondly, universities in South Africa have of the fastest internet connections in the country, so I do not know where you heard the fallacy that they have slow connections. During my absence I ran my laboratory via such a connections and could communicate to and fro in minutes.

    The result of my very busy visit in Zürich has been that I have been silent on this forum, and I would like to clarify that it is not because I do not want to take part. Cameron has indicated that the forum is set up in a way that one can access it quickly and easily without a lot of graphics etc. I think that this is excellent and I regularly do check what is going on (but not during my Zürich visit). However, I will contribute when I think it is needed and when I have the time, and that is just simply limited. I have in the past contributed regularly to the SA Fishkeeping magazine which unfortunately died a few years ago. In that magazine, I advertised fish food which I import and my telephone number was listed. What this resulted in was that the general public thought that I was a general advice bureau. I got daily calls from as far as Windhoek, Bulawayo and Richards Bay, and the whole lot got completely out of hand. My wife and I even considered changing our telephone number because of this. Fortunately, this has now subsided due to the magazine disappearing, but I still occasionally get calls. What would then happen is that persons would happily want to talk to me for an hour at a time, and my family life was being completely usurped. As a result of all this, firstly the Aquatek forum and now the APSA site is much more attractive to me. And it is not as though I do not know about forums either, I regularly contribute to the international angelfish forum as well.

    As many of you would know, I have formulated plant fertilizer mixes for my own conditions, i.e. those that exist here in the bigger Cape Town area. I have supplied them to more and more folks, which normally means sending them via priority mail. I will send them to those that may be interested, but can only do so on a limited scale. I also import high quality fish foods every four months which I run entirely by email and I send food via air transport to all parts of the country.

    With regard to contributions to the APSA forum, I will make these with the greatest of pleasure, but I will assist in issues that I am interested in and on a limited scale only. For this reason I think the APSA forum is excellent and better than the Aquatek forum, as it does not clog up my email. With a forum such as this, I have found that some questions do tend to be asked repeatedly, and it may be thought, Cameron and the other forum administrators, to have some sort of FAQs section, where new members can pick up previous threads. For example we have had some excellent discussions on plant fertilizers before and if these could be easily accessed they could be useful to those interested.

    Kind regards,

    Dirk Bellstedt
     
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    Greetings Professor Bellstedt :)
    Great to have you back on SA soil, we missed you man :)

    First off, thanks for the wonderful compliments about the site and an even bigger thank you for being willing to participate and share your invaluable knowledge about aquatic plants with us, I assure you it is very much appreciated.

    You are right about the FAQ's, they are being developed by one of our very kind members, as soon as the new front end to the site is finished they will be put into place. Will also have a nice article section too (working on that one still!). I'll also be adding a place for folks like yourself to advertise their various products, not for mainstream commercial guys mind you but more for the private guy doing ferts or selling brine shrimp eggs, CO2 and lighting units etc. (Exciting stuff :) )

    Again, good to have you back and hope that your travels to Zürich yield positive results for your research. Good luck!

    Warm regards
    Cameron
     
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    i think this could b the right place to ask my Q? i want to start dosing my tank with those wonderful chems that u guys talk bout.. i saw the post that foo posted in DIY called "New ferts day! New lights day" and he said he adds:
    "MgSO4 - Magnesium Sulphate (Epsom salts - bought from Dischem)
    KNO3 - Potassium Nitrate - (Saltpeter - bought from Dischem)"

    now this is all good and stuff but could some one pls tell me what else i would have to buy and how and how often do i go about dosing these chems? i really wanna start asap:) so excited..hehe..

    oh and another thing, what other chems must i buy? preferably frm dischem too?

    Richard
     
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    i found this place called the gro shop they describe:

    B nutrient: Hortical Calcium Nitrate
    Hortical Calcium Nitrate is a source of nitrogen for plant nutrition, and of calcium for the correction of bitter pit in apples, corky spot in pears and other calcium deficiency disorders in crops.
    Composition:
    195 g/kg Ca
    155 g/kg N
    9 g/kg N-NH 4
    146 g/kg N-NO 3
    Fertilizer Group 1"

    and

    Mono Potassium Phosphate (MPK)
    MPK (KH2PO4) is a fully water-soluble P-K fertilizer. It contains 23% P and 29% K. As a Nitrogen-free fertilizer, MPK is the perfect instrument to control the so important nutrient balance between N, P and K. Using MPK offers the opportunity to give the most preferred K-source, but also to limit or avoid the use of Nitrogen in accordance to the crop's needs. Due to its high quality characteristics, MPK can be applied in hydroponic systems, in fertigation or as a foliar spray.

    are these any good?
     
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    Get the Mono potassium phosphate from there, about the only place to get it locally. The rest you can get from dischem (other than traces - some people use Trelmix - sold at most garden places like Stodels).

    I'll leave it to the EI guys on the forum to post EI recipes, otherwise look here for a good guide:
    http://www.theplantedtank.co.uk/EI.htm
     
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    thank u thank u
     
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    Yeah that's the easiest EI "translation"
    How much do you guys pay for the MPK? As far as I know it's very expensive ???
     
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    R25 for 25g. Which makes a 1l solution

    Liquid R50/l
     
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    Damn I need some, it's probably better that Lenolax :p
     
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    Hi, what I did was to buy some Dry Salts from ebay and make my own fertilizer.

    APSA has some articles are EI, they are easy to follow..
     
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    Hi All,

    I'm going to show my ignorance regarding fertilizers & plants... ???

    I see that some are adding Trelmix to the tank to fertilize as well as planting plants into chicken manure and bone meal, what does this do to your fish, if you have any in the tank?

    I need to plant about 5 Anubis (I think) into pots to put into my 6ft tank because my large black ghosts and bala shark, think that their "planting designs" are much better than mine, and have dug up all the baskets that the plants came in & now they are lying on top of the gravel. It looks really untidy, & I was trying to see if they would dig up the plants before removing them from the baskets and putting them into the gravel.

    I eagerly await your answers. :)

    Kim
     
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    You don't need to plant Anubias. They are happiest tied to a piece of rock or gravel. They also don't need any fertilizing.
     
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    Hi

    Tie them to a piece of wood or a rock using black cotton. If you really want to plant them you can just ensure that the rhizome is not under the gravel or the plant will die
     
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    And remember chicken manure, bone meal and Trelmix belong strictly in the garden. Chicken manure is LOADED with harmful bacteria. Bonemeal does not release its Calcium and Phosphate properly in an aquarium. Trelmix does NOT have the correct trace element mixture in spite of what some persons maintain.

    Kind regards,

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    I have been using the Mono Potassium Phosphate from them for years in my tanks.
    They are on Oxford road in Randburg.
     
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    Thanks for the replies and suggestions.

    I have several Anubias Nana as well as the small round leaf Anubias. Whoever said that Anubias are not tasty to fish has not met my Bala and Black Ghosts. ;) The small leaf has taken a real beating and all its leaves are chewed and tattered as a result. I found it grew ok when I buried it in the gravel in my 3ft tank, it was the only way to keep it anchored to stop it being eaten.

    The reason I'm asking about the pots is because I have a wood feature in the middle of my 6ft tank which incorporates both standing and lying pieces, and to attach the Nana which is already tallish would I think, make it stand out of the water.

    Would it work if I planted them into the pots and instead of using gravel using small pebbles to give the roots place to go? :-\

    Many thanks,
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    What you could do is simply tie them to a clay pot. The do grow better when the roots are exposed to the water column.
     
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    Thanks Tyrone, I think I will give that a try. Maybe I should cut the pot in half tie the Anubias to it and then bury it in the gravel to make a semi cave for my Cory's or Kribs. ;D

    Many Thanks
    Kim
     

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