For sale Endler mix fry

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    I got some Endlers from the Professor at the last APSA Cape Town meeting.

    Got two pairs.. now have close to 100 fry..

    Anyone fancy some? Pickup only in Cape Town.

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    Luis
     
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    How big? Must they still be grown a bit before mixing with other community fish
     
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    They are fry.. small.. Also you should quarantine all the fish prior to putting it in the community tank.. :)
     
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    These are Japan Blue Endlers, stunningly blue fishes. Breed like rabbits. Well done, Luis
     
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    They are stunning, but with plants, and no predators, they are taking over.. :) but great fish for nanos.
     
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    I do have four pairs, adults, for sale, but pickup only. Great fish for a 30L tank.. very pretty.
     
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    Am looking for some. Pitty you are so far away....
     
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    yeah, sorry.. I would not ship them.. :)
     
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    Not quite sure what tipe of Endlers I have...another strain would be nice tho...hmmmm
     
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    There are lots of these in Pretoria by now. I sent them there a couple of years ago.
     
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    My old Jap-blue endler strain or the other line with the yellow bellies? It was great seeing them in Luis' Threadfin Biotope tank.

    Prof, any inclination to cross them to the wild blue-star line you have?
     
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    I got some fry absolutely white, they are too small to see how they will turn up, but they look promising.
     
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    Hi Tyrone,

    These are the progeny of the Japan Blue Endler crosses, I have populated many tanks with them in South Africa.

    It may interest you that I now have some of the offspring that are now appearing with red fins. This is the original color of the fins of the Endler Japan Blue crosses. I am now going to select for some of these red finned fishes as they are quite stunning.

    I have no inclination to cross them with the blue star Endlers, for those of you do not know, these are also called Voison Endlers, as they are quite different.

    Luis, the "white" fry that you are seeing are so-called blondes, many guppies come in this color, they not albinos, but a sort of creamy yellow. This strain carries this mutation and they always throw some of these fry. The males of these are pale blue but still have black markings in the tails. They are quite pretty in their own right.

    Kind regards,

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    I took some pictures of the fish, will upload them.. they are very pretty fish.. :) strong swimmers, stunning colors, just very prolific. :)
     
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    I got a single Japan Blue endler from Tobias in Berlin back in 2010. The accompanying females didn't survive the trip... But I had a Japan Blue lyre-tail/double sword strain that I got from another gentleman in Germany and crossed this single male to the Japan Blue females. This gave my Japan Blue Endler line that went out far and wide. The ones I that I gave the Prof are of this line but they have another gene the mix that gave some fish very dark, black bodies and yellow bellies (or orange bellies, but there were much rarer). The yellow/orange belly is visible in some of the 1st generation fish of my line: The black mutation didn't appear until 2013 when I ran away to the USA. The black mutant form is proving hard to fix... Anyway, this line produces yellow and orange finned fish as well as grey or blonde fish (which don't have as dark a pigmentation but are NOT albinos).

    This is a very nice, strong strain, that doesn't mind our soft water and is pretty disease resistant. The breed like rabbits. Some males are larger than others because of the mix of endler (small males) and guppy (large males) genetics. The blue is Y-linked so crossing any male into any other line should give blue progeny. This has produced some interesting guppies but IMO the plain Japan Blues are the most striking and the grey background bring out the blue a lot better than the blonde.
     
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    Good background to them.. these fish are tough, prolific and healthy.. the males are really stunning. I now want to see how the yellows develop.

    So they come from two pairs. Should I had other strains to avoid too much inbreeding, or leave them be and keep the nicest looking ones?
     
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    Most of these are going into a 90x45x45 tank.. not buying more fish, so they will have space to develop.

    If I see any black fish I will separate them and take some photos.
     
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    OK, so I have these fishes from Tyrone and I am breeding the Japan Blue Endler cross line that you have, Luis. I show another pic here showing the variation in that strain. I now have some males showing red fins. It may be a thought to add a few more from me to assist in working against inbreeding, but they are a tough strain as Tyrone mentioned and this may not be necessary.

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    However, the yellows that Tyrone is referring to look VERY different, see the three pics below. In pic 1, you can see a female which shows that black saddle back marking, so it is interesting that in this guppy strain you can actually see color in the females. I have now had quite considerable difficulties in trying to "fix" this strain. What this means is trying to get them to breed so that all the offspring are pure yellow saddle backs. It turns out that selection of the females is critical and it is not so easy to select the females that carry the right genes. The result of this is that I am still getting numerous intermediate offspring of which particularly, the tails look tatty. So I am still in the process of getting this strain to breed pure and this has now taken more than two years and about 5 to 6 generations of offspring. However, these yellow saddlebacks are stunning and I am determined to them to breed pure.

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    Kind regards,

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    You don't need to worry about inbreeding. Guppies are very resistant to it. The Japan Blue endler line started with several of my females, not just one.

    Prof, you have come a long way with those yellow saddle backs! I'm not sure if the tails are tatty or if we see a pin-tail developing. Endler/guppy crosses never have as nice tails as the guppy line. Something about the endler genetics messing with tail shape.
     

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