DSM for aquatic mosses.

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    So I did a bit of research on this and want some opinions. :icon_study:

    So planning is on the go for a new scape. So gathering relevant information on everything before the fun starts.
    So I would like to try a dry start method to attach moss to rocks and driftwood and so on. Maybe some mini fissidens to if any are available in the country. So my question is and yes it seems stupid but what do moss feed on when grown emersed. I read in some articles they use yogurt and the moss feed on the bacteria produced by the yogurt or something like that. :scratch:

    What else should I look at apart from covering the tank to keep humidity high and misting say twice a day.
    I was thinking of lighting at 200w/m2 and this through 4mm glass cover
     
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    Why not spray the moss with tank water?

    By the way, fissidens does not look really good emersed.. :)
     
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    Good idea with using tank water :thumbsup: did not like the idea of using yogurt :evil6:

    The idea is just to get it to attach and start growing then to fill up.
     
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    This is sort of the look I am after. Not the scape but the look on the rocks. [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
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    yoghurt / buttermilk is good for terrestrial moss, dairy products are not so great for fish..
     
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    It is easy to achieve it..

    So you get some moss.. do all fissidens, easier.. get some natural yogurt (a teaspoon), some ADA substrate... a mixer, I used the old school Moulinex 123.. then add the lot, and mix..

    You will get a paste.. rub on the rocks, cover the tank with clingfilm and wait.. spray every day, not a lot, just to keep humidity..

    The possibilities are endless..
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    That was my thinking also. When filling the tank it can become a problem.
     
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    Will not be a problem.. by that time the yoghurt, a teaspoon, will be all gone.

    The yoghurt is to add bacteria to the soil, to get the moss going.
    You can also use mulm from a old filter..
     
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    By the way, many Koi keepers feed natural yoghurt to their fish without any issues.. :)
     
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    This is why I come visit APSA. Always grate advise. Like the idea of using the aquasoil. Should have some nutrients in there. Would the yogurt not create problems when filling the tank like wearsbunnyslippers said and I was thinking. Was going to grind them up got the idea from where I got the pics and I like the idea and look of it. No tying just grind and rub. Will make a little go a long way.
    Another question will this work with other mosses like say spiky moss Xmas moss java moss? I couldn't get a clear answer on this anywhere on the net.
     
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    ... and do you know how in the 80's we seeded filters? Not the ones you see now, but the filters moved by air pumps.. :) we dropped a tea spoon of yoghurt in between the floss and carbon..
     
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    Thanks for clearing the yogurt concern
     
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    i would assume they only feed this after antibiotics?

    and by not good for fish, i meant dairy is not generally good for water in general. EPA in the states is trying to get spilled milk classified the same as an oil spill, because milk is that much of an environmental problem..
     
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    seeding filters with yoghurt? interesting..
     
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    This works on anything.. I said fissidens as it is the smaller of all the mosses..

    When I have mixed moss that it is too hard for me to take apart I just mix the lot, put on rocks and that is it.. :)

    You rub this on wood, leave it covered for a week or so, to retain moisture, and you will get the most amazing moss mix..

    I got a new tank to do, will be just emersed, for my office, and I got some moss, so will make a large mix and do a journal of it.. :) will be fun to see how it grows.
     
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    Thanks allot for all your advise and patients. Much appreciated :occasion14:
     
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    eish, busy trying to grow fissidens fontana emmersed with no success at all. The fissidens in my tank is growing like hell, the fissidens in the window sill in a plastic cup with water is growing, the fissidens in my sump is growing but not the emmersed setup.

    for the emmersed setup, i took new ADA and put it into a used, washed sushi container. Those full clear plastic ones. I chopped the fissidens and spread it on top wand then sprayed with water. Since november, nothing - i can see the fissidens but no new growth. The HC, glosso, bacopa japan, java moss and anubias are doing perfect - fantastic growth.

    Maybe i should add some yoghurt

    this was just an experiment to see where it will grow faster and my answer is high light with CO2.
     
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    This is only used to attach the mosses to stone and wood. Well in my case it would be. After that it is fill up time to grow the mosses out.
     
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    Fissidens emersed looks different from fissidens underwater... I do not like it emersed.. :)

    Don't need to add yoghurt, just spray with tank water daily and see if it grows some more..
     

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