Aquatic mosses

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    Hi to all you moss fanatics out there,

    I have just returned from a trip to Scotland to which I flew via Frankfurt where I bought a magazine called ?Aquaristik?, which I had not seen before. They had a lovely article on aquatic mosses by Christa Kasselmann, noted German aquatic plant specialist, and I thought I would translate a few issues that were raised in the article.

    I have grown Java moss, for donkey?s years, only to be recently informed that what we thought was Java moss, is in actual fact not Vesicularia dubyana, but rather Taxiphyllum barbieri. Here I specifically refer to the articles by Tan and Loh (see http://www.aquamoss.net/). What I did not know was where the true Javamoss actually came from and when it was imported into Europe, but this article explains this very nicely. In the article in the mag it explains that the Vesicularia dubyana was imported in the 1930?s, but that the true Java moss (Taxiphyllum barbieri) was only imported from the Botanical garden in Bogor (Java) in 1968. This town was originally called Buitenzorg as Java was a Dutch colony. Both mosses were cultivated in Europe but due to the much faster growth rate of the Bogor moss (Taxiphyllum barbieri), the other moss, Vesicularia dubyana, was overgrown and replaced by Bogor moss just about entirely. This article gives an overview of aquatic mosses in general and also shows the nice Fissidens mosses which I believe some folks in South Africa are also now growing.

    In 2000 I obtained some Christmas moss, Vesicularia montagnei, from Gilbert Maebe, in Belgium, when I visited him to obtain some rainbow fishes. I have now multiplied this moss very extensively and have quite a large amount of this moss. It has much broader fronds than Javamoss.

    Some months ago, I swopped some of my Christmas moss with Cameron who then sent me spiky moss, flame moss, Taiwan moss and the true Vesicularia dubyana, which is now referred to as Singapore moss. The spiky moss and erect moss have grown well and quite quickly, but the Singapore moss really does grow very slowly. Unfortunately I lost the Taiwan moss as I let it dry out in a small tub.

    I would be keen to swop some of my mosses (Java moss, Christmas moss, spiky moss or flame moss) for some Taiwan moss and some Fissidens moss, if someone may be interested. Please contact me on dub@sun.ac.za

    Kind regards,

    Dirk
     
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    Hi, Prof. Bellstedt.

    I've got some Taiwan moss (a two liter ice cream tub full) for you and I'll put you on the list for some US Fissidens (AFAIK, there's only three of us here that have it). Give me a shout when you're in the area, or maybe I could pass it on to Andre when he visits you again.

    Regarding the topic at hand:

    Will the real Java Moss please stand up? ;D
     
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    Hi R.C.,

    Thanks for your kind offer of the Taiwan moss, I would be most grateful if I could get some from you. If some of the Fissidens becomes available, I would also be grateful to get some of that. Could you contact me off list so that I can find out how to get to you please? dub@sun.ac.za

    The thread that you sent was also very interesting, so it appears that the Java moss ghost is still haunting us. The explanation for the mix up is clear to me, but I doubt weather the commonly accepted name of Java moss for Taxiphyllum barbieri is going to change very quickly.

    Kind regards,

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    I believe that is actually Christel Kasselmann.
     
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    Yes, you are quite right, apologies to her.

    Kind regards,

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    Hi Dirk

    The person you speak of in the article, Loh Kwek Leong is a member on this forum and is quite the aquatic moss fundie. Professor Tan who you also make mention of recently passed away :(

    Loh is sometimes willing to send small samples of moss to us but failing that I do have a contact for almost any moss you can think of. If you are interested in ordering some moss from overseas let me know asap and I will post a list of species available. Seeing as it is warming up here rapidly now it would be good to do this soon as moss does not enjoy warm weather in transit!

    Looking forward to more translated articles, thanks for posting :)

    PS. I also have some Taiwan moss to spare if needed.
     
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    Cameron, I think you may have misinterpreted a thread heading over at killies.com

    Professor Benito Tan has moved on...

    The professor just very recently ID'd some more mosses, so AFAIK, he's still alive and kicking. :)
     
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    Whoops, my bad . Deepest apologies, I do fear I am getting old and memory is not what it used to be :)
     
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    Heh-heh, don't worry, I think we all thought the same thing when we read the topic heading.
     
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    The professor is alive and well. Last time I saw him, he was settling down to his new job as a deputy director in the Singapore Botanical Gardens.

    I hope I'm not too late into this thread but I'm desperately looking for Christmas Moss. There was a time when I had tons of this moss in my tanks but now, they are all hopelessly mixed up with Singapore Moss. Besides Christmas Moss, I also need Erect Moss badly. I need these 2 mosses for a Japanese girl, Chishio Hidaka who is doing a DNA fingerprinting project on the various aquarium mosses. It's her thesis for her master's degree.

    If you can send me either Erect or Christmas Moss, I'll be happy to send you something in return. Just name the moss you want and I'll try my best to get it for you from Singapore. Over here, we have many exotic aquarium mosses. I can get you Flame Moss (Taxiphyllum sp), Anchor Moss (Vesicularia sp), Mini-Java (Taxiphyllum sp), Spiky Moss (Taxiphyllum sp), Fountain Moss (Fissidens fontanus), Zipper Moss (Fissidens zippelianus), Plagiomium sp, Mini-Pellia (Riccardia sp), Fissidens nobilis etc. Just name it and I'll be happy to send it to you. But first, you have to send me either Erect or Christmas Moss, of course.

    By the way, Erect Moss isn't the same as Flame Moss. The former is a Vesicularia while the latter is a Taxiphyllum.

    Loh K L
     
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    Dear Mr Loh,

    Thank you for your reply. A while back, I think you asked that if we saw fruiting bodies on our mosses we should send them to you. Well, I now have fruiting bodies on some Christmas moss and on some Singapore moss, the true Singapore moss, Vesicularia dubyana, and I was about to send out an email to ask you if you still wanted some of this moss with the fruiting bodies.

    So, if you would like I could send you these two mosses so that the Japanese girl can do her DNA fingerprinting. The Christmas moss that I have comes from a friend in Belgium, and I could send you quite enough for her DNA analyses. How do you want me to send it? As I do DNA work on plants myself, I could press it for you, or send it dry on silica gel or send it to you wet, what would you prefer. I also have Erect moss which I could send you. I also have Flame Moss, so I know that I do have Erect moss and that it is not Flame Moss.

    In exchange you could send me some Mini-Pellia, Plagonium or any of the Fissidens and I would be more than happy.

    Please contact me directly so that we can arrange the shipment.

    I look forward to hear what Professor Tan will have to say about the fruiting bodies.

    Many thanks and kind regards,

    Dirk Bellstedt
     
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    Dear Dirk,

    Please, call me Kwek Leong but if that's too hard to remember, KL would be just fine too. Regarding the fruiting bodies, I think you might have misunderstood us. We asked for sporophytes once but we were (and still are) interested only in sporophytes that are produced by Java Moss (Taxiphyllum barbieri). For that matter, any species of Taxiphyllum (be it Flame Moss, Spiky Moss or Mini-Java) that produces fruiting bodies would be of great interest to us. For reasons that we do not understand, we have never seen sporophytes in any of the Taxiphyllum's that we know so far.

    With the Vesicularia's, Singapore (V. dubyana) and Christmas Moss (V. montagnei) often throw out many sporophytes. With Erect Moss (V. reticulata) it's harder to get it to produce sporophytes but it has been done before.

    I would be terribly grateful if you can send me a generous sample each of Christmas and Erect Moss. These 2 mosses have all but gone extinct in Singapore. In return, I'll be happy to send you the 3 mosses you want. In fact, I'll do more than that. Besides the F. fontanus, I will also send you F. zippelianus and F. nobilis. This is my mailing address:

    Loh Kwek Leong
    Block 104 Towner Road
    #08-324
    Singapore 322104

    Let me have yours through email or private message and I'll send the mosses as soon as I can. I'm not sure how Chishio prefers it but I think it would be best if we stick to the "tried and tested" method of sending the mosses slightly wet in a sealed plastic bag. As far as I know, packed in such a way, mosses can stay alive for more than 2 weeks. Please do not pack too much water with the mosses as water is the element that causes the moss to rot when it's sealed inside an envelope. I don't know if I can post an url but if I can, here's a post I wrote on how to send mosses from one country to another.

    By the way, with due respect to Ms Kasselmann, I'm still using the common names that were listed in the article as written by Professor Benito. I read Ms Kasselmann's translated article in TAG (The Aquatic Gardener) and I know she is saying that we should call T. barbieri as Bogor Moss and V. dubyana as Java Moss but it would be a futile task trying to change the common names. The best course of action actually is to let events take its natural course. Over time, whichever name becomes more common will eventually be the accepted one. A common name, after all, is so called because it's one that is commonly used.

    Loh K L
     

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