Discussion in 'Suggestions' started by f-fish+plants, Apr 15, 2013.
... why not Zulu?
Nope, leave it open if possible, I think the dialog here is way more positive than what some might think.
One of the things that the thread has highlighted is that a responsible member of either TASA or APSA should probably promote both when they have the chance to influence new people in the communities. As a simple example, at the tank planting things two members of TASA did not know about APSA - and have now joined APSA after the event.
I have had my set-to with forum members and a mod not understanding context of a thread - hey even meant that I went MIA for awhile, but today I am happy to be on both and recommend both.
If we do not see the two forums as competition then surely promotion is the logic next step.
i'm sure the aim of both forums is to grow the hobby.if we focus on that no one should have any problems.
And what is it if you brake same rules along the road.
APSA MODS, this post is at your disgression, and I fully understand it being removed.
TASA has undergone a huge moderation format change, and this has come from the advice of both Rory and Dean. The site is UNFORTUNATELY, (and I say that very strongly, it is a big unfortunate position) sponsored, and with the way the sponsorship agreement had been interpretted and drawn up, certain protection was offered. This has since dropped, and we are more open to discussion of other options. This interpretation came from an older member, who was also one of the founders of TASA many years ago, and so these interpretations have been carried through to the moderators way of modding. Rory and Dean have recently changed this.
As Jenn mentioned, moderators usually only reacted when something was reported to us, and we discussed it. (In many instances the reports came from sponsors or an older member)
If I remember correctly, Dirk left this forum due to an argument first? After a debate on TASA Dirk made a decision to leave TASA himself. It was not forced upon him. He felt that his time was too limited to spend arguing and debating his point of view both forums, and has left both.
And the question about if this type of thread is ever raised on TASA... nope, not yet. And no, we wouldn't close it, nor do we stop people from referencing other forums either. There's been a big change in moderation
And finally the general feel of both forums are very different. TASA is geared towards the fish, where we are dealing with a much younger generation. Let's not get into the issues that a young person (under 30) brings to a group of members! APSA is a bit more of a mature crowd... and I say that with respect. The benefit to APSA is that the members are more open to CONSTRUCTIVE debates, which unfortunately usually starts as constructive on TASA, but then turns sour very quickly. The 2 forums are completely different from one another, the mod team and admin team are 2 very different bodies, and I actually agree that the 2 should stay separate, purely because they meet the needs of each member differently.
I may not post a lot on APSA, but I do spend some time here and there reading through your guys posts, and have on numerous occasions even referenced this site when talking to people. I use to say that APSA to TASA is what Australia is to SA. All SA dream of going to Australia, and when they are there, they are constantanly complaining about SA. Since joining here, I've realised that APSA to TASA is more what CT is to JHB. We are all from the same country, we just have different cultures. If you don't fit in with TASA, we don't mind. It's not a competition about member count, it's about being relevant to the membership of the forums.
I take my hat off to APSA and their team. They have come a long way from when the started with their few members. And I say this with total conviction- if it was not for the COMBINED efforts of the members on this forum, the planted tank industry in SA would not be where it is today! The demand has been created. (And I say the same about TASA, if it were not for the combined efforts of the TASA membership, the tropical fish industry would still be limited to a few fish tanks in a pet store!)
Keep calm... keep planting!
No problems here
Thanks for posting.
Well explained Ashley... No one can argue with that lol.
I do agree with you, it is as if TASA is the Junior high of the Fish School which demands that everyone (majority youngsters have to have their opinion noticed) where as APSA is the more calm and colective Senior year of the Plant School.
In the ideal world a forum merge would have been nice to have one massive forum with a greater influence on the Aqua hobby (planted or fish orientated)
But I strongly suggest that maybe the two forums try to organize events together. I am yet to come by an APSA event where a planted demo is going to take place and there is not a list of rare and most wanted fish at loolilocks.
Or a fish orientated event where there is no plants available as I recall from the event held at the Coca-Cola dome.
Whilst I do realize the costs of such events are pricey, it does grow the hobby. Maybe partnerships with such events could be something to considder, please do help me if I am wrong?
what do you mean? APSA has had a planted demo last year.
What about the Aquarium Expo?
It was great fun last year!
that as well.. i had fun at that event
He,he - was fun having fun with you and Raymond Dood - do it all again this year?
Shamless plug BTW Henkie...he,he,he...
You should know by now I have no shame
Hopefully it's bigger this year.
This is what I mean, fish and plants was available at the event, was at that event.
Same with the TASA event, fish and plants was available at that event.
What I am saying is more events but with a joined venture between APSA and TASA
Aquarium Expo 2013 should have it's own thread...
I'm really in 2 minds about the expo this year... The price has gone up considerably since last year. But I am throwing around a few ideas...
I believe it does not have to be at Emperors where you pay premium for exhibiting, rather get a place like the hall in Randburg where the reptile expo is held every year and there will be more people getting involved.
It's been a while since I've been accused of being the "younger generation". I'm not complaining. If being on TASA makes me young - I'm NEVER leaving. But I don't mind hanging out with you old fuddy-duddies every now and then
... The only thing I have against the younger generation is that I'm no longer part of it!
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